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	<title>Comments on: Ruinediphone.com: Activism Gone Wrong?</title>
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		<title>By: Tanya (aka NetChick)</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tanya (aka NetChick)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to be protesting with my wallet next week, by paying the ECF (a ridiculous $500 Rogers charges) and going to Bell or Telus.  I believe I do have a right to speak up about the unfair position Rogers has taken on the data usage, and how poorly all three big companies have treated their wireless customers over the years.

No, I don&#039;t feel a sense of entitlement, but nor do I feel I should just sit back and say nothing.

And yes, I wish us Canadians would be far more vocal about other much larger and important issues we face.  Maybe this is a start?  Sad that it has to be corporate greed to wake us up, but hopefully, it will?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to be protesting with my wallet next week, by paying the ECF (a ridiculous $500 Rogers charges) and going to Bell or Telus.  I believe I do have a right to speak up about the unfair position Rogers has taken on the data usage, and how poorly all three big companies have treated their wireless customers over the years.</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t feel a sense of entitlement, but nor do I feel I should just sit back and say nothing.</p>
<p>And yes, I wish us Canadians would be far more vocal about other much larger and important issues we face.  Maybe this is a start?  Sad that it has to be corporate greed to wake us up, but hopefully, it will?</p>
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		<title>By: Nav</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Rob: Thanks! You&#039;re the second person to say that this week...

@Crispin: I&#039;m an academic - I accepted that my words will change nothing a looong time ago... ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rob: Thanks! You&#8217;re the second person to say that this week&#8230;</p>
<p>@Crispin: I&#8217;m an academic &#8211; I accepted that my words will change nothing a looong time ago&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Crispin</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crispin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nav: Of course you absolutely should express your frustration! You just have to accept that your post is only putting more fuel on the very fire you&#039;re objecting to, and it probably won&#039;t do anything to change the behaviour of the people you are critiquing. :)

What I would like to see is an online petition to solicit names/comments protesting the ridiculous amount of attention the Rogers/iPhone issue is getting while the rest of the world is dealing with global warming and an impending global food crisis. I&#039;d be interested to see how many names that petition would get and how many media outlets would pick up on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nav: Of course you absolutely should express your frustration! You just have to accept that your post is only putting more fuel on the very fire you&#8217;re objecting to, and it probably won&#8217;t do anything to change the behaviour of the people you are critiquing. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What I would like to see is an online petition to solicit names/comments protesting the ridiculous amount of attention the Rogers/iPhone issue is getting while the rest of the world is dealing with global warming and an impending global food crisis. I&#8217;d be interested to see how many names that petition would get and how many media outlets would pick up on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Hyndman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S. great muxtape!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. great muxtape!</p>
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		<title>By: Nav</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ehren: I agree. Something I do wonder, however, is if they&#039;re will be enough Apple fanboys/girls who will simply buy the phone, &#039;proving&#039; that the people complaining were &#039;merely a vocal minority&#039;.

@Crispin: Fair enough, but I don&#039;t see why I should resign myself to acceptance rather than critiquing some of the downsides of the changes we&#039;re all a part of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ehren: I agree. Something I do wonder, however, is if they&#8217;re will be enough Apple fanboys/girls who will simply buy the phone, &#8216;proving&#8217; that the people complaining were &#8216;merely a vocal minority&#8217;.</p>
<p>@Crispin: Fair enough, but I don&#8217;t see why I should resign myself to acceptance rather than critiquing some of the downsides of the changes we&#8217;re all a part of.</p>
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		<title>By: Crispin</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crispin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nav, the fact is we live in a consumer society. They call us consumers for a reason. We live to consume. Rogers apparently didn&#039;t realise this. By denying consumers in Canada an unlimited rate plan they have effectively taken the bottle away from the baby. That&#039;s why there&#039;s so much crying going on. Green/political issues generally get in the way of our unabated passion to consume, so they will always get less attention and generate less action. Basically we suck, and we like to suck as much as we can get, for as little money as possible. Sad but true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nav, the fact is we live in a consumer society. They call us consumers for a reason. We live to consume. Rogers apparently didn&#8217;t realise this. By denying consumers in Canada an unlimited rate plan they have effectively taken the bottle away from the baby. That&#8217;s why there&#8217;s so much crying going on. Green/political issues generally get in the way of our unabated passion to consume, so they will always get less attention and generate less action. Basically we suck, and we like to suck as much as we can get, for as little money as possible. Sad but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Ehren Cheung</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ehren Cheung]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s a very valid point that the principle of the advocating for change in general pricing plans for Canadian mobile data rates has been skewed but I don&#039;t think it has gone wrong because it is important for people to talk about this issue.  I find that we as Canadians tend to simply accept the fact that businesses can and will push us around and we take it.

While people could have converged on the general pricing plans to protest rates, it does not have the same effect as if people converged on protesting data rates for one phone that symbolizes what can be the future of mobile web development.

I would however push forward the fact that we as customers, citizens, and consumers ARE entitled to greater things -- all three roles are tied together.  To simply say that we don&#039;t have to buy something is to deny the fact that we want something.  The difference is that if we acknowledge that we want something and push back by not buying the iphone (or whatever product), businesses will have to take into consideration of the fact that their customers are actually a partner in what is referred to as the business to consumer relationship.

If they want to sell us something, they have to acknowledge that we have our demands and meet them adequately.  This is how good and effective long-term business is done, but it&#039;s up to us as the customers in different forms (at work or at home) to make sure the other side understands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a very valid point that the principle of the advocating for change in general pricing plans for Canadian mobile data rates has been skewed but I don&#8217;t think it has gone wrong because it is important for people to talk about this issue.  I find that we as Canadians tend to simply accept the fact that businesses can and will push us around and we take it.</p>
<p>While people could have converged on the general pricing plans to protest rates, it does not have the same effect as if people converged on protesting data rates for one phone that symbolizes what can be the future of mobile web development.</p>
<p>I would however push forward the fact that we as customers, citizens, and consumers ARE entitled to greater things &#8212; all three roles are tied together.  To simply say that we don&#8217;t have to buy something is to deny the fact that we want something.  The difference is that if we acknowledge that we want something and push back by not buying the iphone (or whatever product), businesses will have to take into consideration of the fact that their customers are actually a partner in what is referred to as the business to consumer relationship.</p>
<p>If they want to sell us something, they have to acknowledge that we have our demands and meet them adequately.  This is how good and effective long-term business is done, but it&#8217;s up to us as the customers in different forms (at work or at home) to make sure the other side understands.</p>
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		<title>By: Nav</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments everyone and I do agree with all of them. My point, however, was not so much to jump on the &quot;Canada&#039;s wireless providers suck&quot; bandwagon as it was to suggest that it&#039;s unfortunate - if understandable - that so much energy is expended on issues of consumer rights, particularly when it&#039;s possible that such activity comes at the expense of other concerns: child poverty, green issues or Harper&#039;s steady march right and south.

And Rob, it&#039;s quite true that the masses speak through consumer activity. I&#039;d just argue that this is a function of late capitalism that I&#039;m not entirely behind. I think the neat equivalence between consumer activity and democratic participation is potentially reductionist and inadvertently closes off avenues of action in areas that cannot be adequately captured by &#039;consumption&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments everyone and I do agree with all of them. My point, however, was not so much to jump on the &#8220;Canada&#8217;s wireless providers suck&#8221; bandwagon as it was to suggest that it&#8217;s unfortunate &#8211; if understandable &#8211; that so much energy is expended on issues of consumer rights, particularly when it&#8217;s possible that such activity comes at the expense of other concerns: child poverty, green issues or Harper&#8217;s steady march right and south.</p>
<p>And Rob, it&#8217;s quite true that the masses speak through consumer activity. I&#8217;d just argue that this is a function of late capitalism that I&#8217;m not entirely behind. I think the neat equivalence between consumer activity and democratic participation is potentially reductionist and inadvertently closes off avenues of action in areas that cannot be adequately captured by &#8216;consumption&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1038</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see all sides in this debate. What worries me though is that consumers to date are not buying these phones or using data in larges quantities. We are falling behind other countries. There is a lot of missed revenue here. I have read that a lot of online sales in Japan happen on a mobile device. Regardless, we are falling behind the rest of the world, consumers are afraid to use their data, so we are staying stagnant as far as being wired while mobile. Maybe this will all change with Bell&#039;s Instinct announcement today and a much better data plan.

The best thing to come out of this whole thing is awareness. It was loud because it was the iPhone, but everyone was sick of our nickel and dime carriers long before the iPhone came out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see all sides in this debate. What worries me though is that consumers to date are not buying these phones or using data in larges quantities. We are falling behind other countries. There is a lot of missed revenue here. I have read that a lot of online sales in Japan happen on a mobile device. Regardless, we are falling behind the rest of the world, consumers are afraid to use their data, so we are staying stagnant as far as being wired while mobile. Maybe this will all change with Bell&#8217;s Instinct announcement today and a much better data plan.</p>
<p>The best thing to come out of this whole thing is awareness. It was loud because it was the iPhone, but everyone was sick of our nickel and dime carriers long before the iPhone came out.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Cleaver</title>
		<link>http://scrawledinwax.com/2008/07/02/ruinediphonecom-activism-gone-wrong/#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Cleaver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No doubt, Rogers is only doing what it ought: maximise its profits to take advantage of its environment.

It&#039;s not Rogers&#039; fault. It is the government&#039;s (The government approved the buyout of Fido by Rogers). Which, in turn, makes it ours. Long term it is the fault of the Residents of Canada.

When we take back responsibility we can pressure for what we need: Competitive industry where we are not held to ransom. 

Yet we must not forget, the frustrations of the people who sign the petitions are valid. They may be symptomatic reactions, but they are reactions of people who want change. They are applying pressure. 

Will protests make a difference? It certainly injures Rogers&#039; brand but who cares about using a brand to gain market share when you have a monopoly?
 
Our goal now must be to get the government to notice the protests online. Rogers will only care when it means something to their motives. &lt;a href=&quot;http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2007/04/09/the-stupidity-of-canadian-telcos-with-their-exhoribitant-data-rates/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2007/04/09/the-stupidity-of-canadian-telcos-with-their-exhoribitant-data-rates/&lt;/a&gt;

Ring your MP. Let them know you care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt, Rogers is only doing what it ought: maximise its profits to take advantage of its environment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not Rogers&#8217; fault. It is the government&#8217;s (The government approved the buyout of Fido by Rogers). Which, in turn, makes it ours. Long term it is the fault of the Residents of Canada.</p>
<p>When we take back responsibility we can pressure for what we need: Competitive industry where we are not held to ransom. </p>
<p>Yet we must not forget, the frustrations of the people who sign the petitions are valid. They may be symptomatic reactions, but they are reactions of people who want change. They are applying pressure. </p>
<p>Will protests make a difference? It certainly injures Rogers&#8217; brand but who cares about using a brand to gain market share when you have a monopoly?</p>
<p>Our goal now must be to get the government to notice the protests online. Rogers will only care when it means something to their motives. <a href="http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2007/04/09/the-stupidity-of-canadian-telcos-with-their-exhoribitant-data-rates/" rel="nofollow">http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2007/04/09/the-stupidity-of-canadian-telcos-with-their-exhoribitant-data-rates/</a></p>
<p>Ring your MP. Let them know you care.</p>
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